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G4 powermac used mac computer custom upgraded iPod compatibleOSX Install Notes for G4 Systems

Updated 03-03-2009

Make sure you absolutely and solidly have a backup of all data before starting.

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How much ram and hard drive do I need?:

We recommend at least 512MB unless you don't mind waiting for the beach ball to spin. If you can afford to fill up your RAM. Apple says a full install requires 128MB of ram and 3GB of drive space (10.2 requirements, other versions more). That means of course you really should have 6GB available and 256MB or ram or more. Realize now that you will actually be slowing down when you install X. You need at least 256MB of ram, 384 or 512 is better. Apple says 128. More is always better. A full install requires 3 GB of drive space (again 10.2). With the enormously fat Applications etc, you would be quickly out of space. For a G4 running OSX10.4 we recommend at least 20GB.

If youare on an older G4 with a 350 or 400 mhz we recommend you replace your processor with a 500mhz or faster. You can do this yourself and we have processors in stock starting at $29.77 shipped for a 500 mhz. See the Accelerator section of our online store.

First off read all of the information below especially on how I install OSX. If you screw up and have to restart the machine, you can get the machine into a state at which it no longer works at all. Pay careful attention and you won't have troubles. If you do run the reset routine I describe below. You may have to hit the CUDA switch so before beginning make sure you know how to recover your machine or don't start.

When we say a machine is OSX ready what we mean is Apple says this machine is supported and you have the necessary ram and drive space to meet the install requirements. You need to read the instructions included with any options installed on your system such as processor, graphics card, DVDR or CDRW Drives etc. before starting as each require special drivers. If you have a special processor check with the processor manufacturer's web site before installing.

Where is the PMU or CUDA Switch?

ROM UPDATES:

Rom updates should be kept current on all Macs that use them. Check Apple System Profiler/Product Information/ROM Revision.

The updates are available on the Apple Web Site or of course on the Kitchen Sink CD. Follow the directions.

OTHER FIRMWARE UPDATES FOR X

A list of required firmware updates is listed on Apple's web site. Do this before installing X. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117

Know how to recover your machine or don't start

Before you install or if your machine fails and you can't get it to come back up:

DEEP LEVEL RESET TIP: On G4 Machines especially when aborting an OSX install really scrambles the computer. You can super reset the computer by Zapping the PRAM 3 times in a row. Then move your fingers from the P R keys to the O F keys (in other words Command - Option - O - F). COOF will bring up a machine language screen. <return> means press the return key you don't type the characters out. At the prompt type the following:

On G4 Towers you want to include resetting the NVRAM.

reset-nvram <return>
set-defaults <return>
reset-all <return>

If that fails hold the CUDA switch down for 15 seconds and run through zapping the pram sequence listed above. Need help resetting your CUDA? Read Bob's Mac Tech Tips.

Leopard OS10.5 WARNINGS - remember no classic mode for older software!

Check to make sure before you install that all the major applications you run are Leopard compatible. I can't tell you how many people called after Leopard was release singing the blues. MacRumors.com has thoughfully put up a list of incompatible programs as well as listed some programs that just have certain issues. Before upgrading to Leopard make sure your machine qualifies. You need an 867 mhz processor or faster, 512MB of ram, 13GB (really more) of free space, a DVD capable optical, and a 32MB Quartz enabled video card. Also remember there is no classic mode in Leopard so if you run older software in classic mode you will need to find alternatives before you upgrade. I have had to simplify the machines I install on so often I now start up with only one stick of ram and all PCI cards removed, and of course only the keyboard, mouse and monitor plugged in. Lastly and more importantly if you are installing on your old system you should archive and install rather than let the software be updated. A clean install is recommended.

I can make any Sawtooth or later G4 Leopard Compatible

I sometimes hear of a computer sales person telling a customer to forget that old machine it can't run the latest operating system. Granted these days the little $599 Mini looks real attractive. Of course you have to add a keyboard, mouse, and monitor, to the price plus tax and shipping. But it is still a good buy for many folks. For some though that need to run the odd older Mac app or already have investment in their old G4 tower like lots of ram and larger hard drive or processor upgrade. I still like to boot into OS9 to run an application or two, and that is something none of the new Macs can do at any price. REMEMBER NO CLASSIC MODE ON THE INTEL PROCESSOR MACS. ALSO REMEMBER LEOPARD DOES NOT HAVE A CLASSIC MODE. If you are on a dual bootable machine you can still boot into OS9 if you have it installed.

What Leopard needs that most don't have is an 867 mhz or faster G4 processor. The Sonnet 1 Ghz G4 Processor upgrade meets that need and at less than $175 shipped it makes short work of not having fast enough processor and of course for a bit more you can go even faster. The second thing is a Quartz Extreme support Graphics Card. Most all early G4's have the 16 MB ATI AGP Graphics Card. We have a somewhat limited selection of graphic upgrade cards these days but the little NVIDIA MX2 will work in most machines for around $50. Of course you may need to add a bit more ram, perhaps a DVD burner, USB2 Card, Wireless Card etc. You can easily extend the life of your old trusty G4 for less money than buying new and run the latest operating system if you choose. You can do this yourself but if you would rather you can ship your unit here and have us install the upgrades for only a few dollars more, plus get your machine thoroughly cleaned and tested.

Do you have less than an 867 MHz G4 and want to run Leopard?

I recently added a program to our OSX Kitchen Sink called Leopard Assist. It allows you to install Leopard on some earlier G4 systems. I know that Leopard would run okay on a iMac G4 700 or 800 for example with enough ram. Click on the link to go to the web site and download it yourself. Personally I am still running Tiger and will for the immediate future.

DO NOTE THAT LEOPARD REQUIRES A G4 PROCESSOR and will not run on an iBook G3, or iMac G3 no matter what you do. If you are on one of these systems plan to run Tiger OS10.4.11, which is still currently supported by Apple and a better OS in my book for the older machines.

Here is how I install OSX on G4 Systems

There are problems with the OSX when installing on some systems. Based on my experience:

  1. NEW NOTE: OSX ABSOLUTELY SHOULD be installed in the FIRST PARTITION of the FIRST drive if you didn't know. I don't usually partition drives on G4's but if you must, make sure it is about 12GB's or so. In a pinch you can boot from a slave or even external Firewire Drive but for day to day operations FOLLOW THE RULES. You may get by running X from another partition but it will eventually bite you. I usually also install and run classic mode in the first partition as well.
  2. Turn off all energy saver settings. (Don't just disable the ext., it leaves the prefs running).
  3. Pull all PCI cards (leaving the stock Ultrawide card if you have one) and unhook everything from the back of the machine besides the powercord and the keyboard, mouse, and monitor, remove any zip media.
  4. I recommend you set the extensions to OS 9.2 only. (not on 9.2.2? upgrade your classic OS first). Make sure your firmware is updated!
  5. Run disk first aid or Norton (OS9 only systems) for the last time. (Do not install if you can't get a clean bill of health). Replace your drive if you need to. NEVER run Norton on a drive that has X already installed.
  6. I then zap the pram as described above and reset the firmware.
  7. I don't normally recommend pushing the CUDA switch except to recover a machine that has stopped working.
  8. I restarted with the C key held down and the X disk in. Hold down Command Option Delete Shift (CODS) if you are booting from an external.
  9. I do a CUSTOM INSTALL and deselected the 12 or so languages I don't speak and only selected the printers I use.
  10. DON'T have it format the drive unless you really want everything wiped off the drive!
  11. You really should sit through the install which is long and boring and click the install window of the installer every once in a while. The system tries to go to sleep without activity especially during the second CD. Including all updates takes several hours to complete an install with all updates.
  12. Should your install initially fail I have learned that reducing the ram in the unit helps. Don't ask me why but one stick in the first slot profiler reads seems to result in things working where they didn't before.

If things go well you should be able to boot in X now. SETUP TWO ACCOUNTS to start with and don't forget the passwords. THE FIRST ONE SET with Administrative access and a second make it a personal account. Use the Admin account to install new software, the other to work in. You are now ready to add the updates to get your OSX and applications up to date and these should be done logged in from the Admin account. Personally I leave the password fields blank but I am the only one who uses my machine and nobody else dare touch it.

NOTE: If your install fails for any reason, do a deep level reset as described above before reinstalling!

NOTE: If you can't get your machine to boot from the install disk, try holding down the option key at startup and then selecting the disk. If that doesn't work try CODS command-option-delete-shift keys held down at startup. Lastly try booting from an external firewire optical, using the above tips. Last resort? Try temporarily connecting the old optical drive that came originally in your G4 for the install.

NOTE: It will take longer for your system to boot and synch with your monitor when booting into X. Be patient.

NOTE: If your monitor doesn't synch after the first CD finishes (on Jaguar or Panther installs), you may need to try another monitor. I have had to swap monitors to get an install done. It worked fine with the original monitor after installing, although I had to zap the pram on some systems.

NOTE: If it fails again pull all but one stick of ram and make sure there is nothing plugged in but the keyboard mouse and monitor. If it fails to install again, format the hard drive by having it write 0's or replace the drive.

NOTE FROM RICK (a Headgap Customer): Bob - thanks for your time on the phone today. Switching from a LCD to a CRT revealed the problem. To recap: It's a BW G3, rev2 main board, boot ROM v 1.1.1f4, plenty of RAM and HD space. I booted from panther install disk 1, started a custom install to exclude all the non-essentials other than X11. Install took about 30min, never asked me to switch CDs, then gave me a 30-sec. warning before rebooting (all normal so far). Startup chime sounded, the LED on my LCD turned green, then amber. It stayed amber, thus no video. I switched to a CRT monitor, booted from install CD 1, started a custom install to exclude everything but X11. Within a few minutes, it was finished with CD 1, rebooted and was asking for CD 3. This was the step it couldn't take before (unable to successfully sync the LCD monitor). Installation from there on was a breeze.

TIP: Once you finish updating the system run the OSX Disk Utility and repair permissions from the startup X CD. You should do this anytime you install new software. I like and use a shareware program called System Optimizer (Panther and below) Maintenance 3.7 Tiger or 3.8 Leopard, that performs a whole series of maintenance on your system all at once, including repair permissions. Disk First Aid though requires you boot from the first CD and run the disk utility from the menu.

OSX is a multiple user based system unlike what you are used to on the older OSes. Notice when you install anything logged in as a user it may only be accessible by you when you log in as that user. That goes for music, pictures etc. Understanding how this multiple user system works will help you learn to use this OS. Things you want to be accessible to all should be installed by the admin level account. Before and after installing it is a good idea to repair permissions.

ENABLING THE DVD or CDRW FOR OSX:

After you install OS X, you'll need to run Patchburn to create a driver for any aftermarket optical drive.

OTHER ENABLERS:

If you have a SONNET or other aftermarket processor I recommend you visit the site and download any needed patches before starting. If you have a Realtek 10/100 card you will need to install the patch (rtsmacx(110).zip) from the Kitchen Sinks OSX folder after installing X. The stock 10/100 is supported as is USB and Firewire. You may have a special graphics card or other PCI cards that need updates. Check before starting and make sure you have the necessary drivers.

You may have no problems and many of our customers are successfully running OSX on custom boxes purchased from us and most of our office machines have Tiger installed. One thing I have learned over the years is not to be the first person to install a revision. Sites like MacFixit.com and even Apple's are full of the grief people go through. Usually if you wait a short while and revisit those sites most of the problems have solutions. I would encourage you to study up before installing.

If you are totally unable to recover your machine, we will be glad to restore your machine. Simply call our toll free number 1-877-639-1543 9-6 CST M-F for an RMA number and pay the shipping both directions and a nominal $35.00 bench charge assuming there is no mechanical damage. We do install OSX for you or you can buy from us. Call for more information.

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OSX Tips for All Users

Since OSX is a user based system designed around BSD Unix there are a few things that most Mac users haven't had to contend with. One of which is permissions. When you install software or fonts that you intend for everyone on your system to use you need to install them from the main user which is sometimes called Admin or Adminstrator account. It was the first account you set up when you first installed your software. If you install it from one of the user accounts it will only be accessible by that account.

BEFORE AND AFTER YOU INSTALL SOFTWARE and on a regular basis run the Disk Utility (in the Utilities folder) and repair permissions. I have read a few folks who think this is un-necessary and all I can say is wait until you munge a drive and have to do a new install because you didn't take a few minutes.

Another handy program is System Optimizer X (Tiger and below). It is on the OSX Kitchen Sink in the Diagnostics folder. It runs all of the maintenance on your system on demand. It is a $12 shareware program but the demo works fine until you decide to register it and this one is well done, so try it and register your copy if you like and use it. The guy who writes this now has an "improved" program called SOCKS. I still like the simplicity of the System Optimizer though it is not Leopard (10.5) compatible.

Lose Your X Password or Need to Change It?

Boot up from the first OSX install CD by placing it in the drive and holding down the C key. When it comes up choose Reset Password from the Menu and follow the instructions.

X and Norton? NO!

I can't recommend Norton for OSX. You certainly don't want to boot into 9 and run a Disk Doctor any version. All versions will trash the drive since there are many changes to the drive format that X adds. I find that it flat kills most installs so just don't use it. I have used Tech Tool X and Disk Warrior but my best advice at this time is the use the disk repair program when booted from the original X install disk at this time. Do this periodically and it will help keep your drive healthy. Disk Warrior for X seems to work okay for drive recovery. I would NOT use it for maintenance though. Use the disk utility that comes on your install disk for regular drive maintenance.

HOW DO I BACKUP MY X INSTALL?

Carbon Copy Cloner (http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html) is on the X version of the Kitchen Sink. This puppy allows you to backup your OSX drive to an internally connected drive or an external Firewire drive (this will only work for booting with built in Firewire and will not work on Blue & White or the early G4 Yikes systems). This will make a bootable backup! It can also be used to recover parts or all of your X install. This solved one of the main objections I had to X and why I was not an early adopter. I still prefer the older version but the new version 3 does have nice features although it only works in Tiger or above.

If you don't have an internal second drive consider purchasing one. Having a bootable backup of your X install on a second drive is really a good idea. We will talk you through the install if you need help.

HELP! My OSX JUST SITS THERE SPINNING THE BEACHBALL AND NEVER FINISHED BOOTING? or maybe you get the Kernal Panic Screen (charcoal gray panel with printing).

ANYTIME YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE BOOTING UNPLUG EVERYTHING FROM THE BACK OF YOUR COMPUTER except the keyboard and monitor, and of course the power plug. Fix one thing at a time. If you just installed hardware remove it.

  1. Try booting with the shift key held down. This is called safe mode (kind of like starting 9 with the extensions off). If it comes up okay then sometimes you can then simply reboot and things will work normally. I would load the disk utility from the Applications/Utility folder and repair permissions.
  2. Boot from the 1st OSX install disk by inserting it and holding the C key down after rebooting. Run Disk First Aid, then run Repair Permissions from the Disk Utility (from the menu).
  3. Last resort - install the OS again. Make sure you don't tell it to wipe the drive. Once you have reinstalled run the latest combined update to get your system version back up to snuff.
  4. You can always recover from the backup you made using carbon copy cloner (assuming you made one).
  5. Run Repair Permissions before and after installing software.

APPLEJACK PREINSTALLED? IF YOU DON'T HAVE APPLEJACK INSTALLED FOR OSX YOU SHOULD!

There is now a version of AppleJack for Leopard. Version 1.5 is now on the new version of the OSX Kitchen Sink. We preinstall AppleJack on all OSX systems. This little utility (Kitchen Sink OSX Diagnostics Folder or downloadable from http://applejack.sourceforge.net/) allows you to repair your disk, repair permissions, validate the system's preference files, and get rid of possibly corrupted cache files. In most cases, these operations can help get your machine back on track. The important thing is that you don't need another startup disk with you. All you need to do is restart in Single User Mode (SUM), by holding down the command and s keys at startup, and then typing applejack, or applejack auto (which will run through all the tasks automatically), or applejack auto restart (which will also restart the computer automatically at the end of the process).

The only gotcha I have found so far is on Beige G3 systems. If you had to borrow someone's monitor to install X, then your other adapted monitor probably will show you a black screen at startup. Since you simply need to type applejack auto restart, I do just that blindly and then leave the system alone. It runs through the cycles and then restarts usually getting you back up and running. There are some other warnings in the documentation so read through them thoroughly before using on your system. This is an emergency repair program and I really would not run it all the time, but it has saved me more than a few times from the hours of reinstallation.

OSX - To Journal or not to Journal

I had someone ask about Journaling. If you run a server you already probably know about this and have it on your server since it gives you a bit of extra protection and reliability. If you hadn't noticed it became an option for your Mac Extended Hard Drive starting in Panther. Next time you repair permissions using the disk utility in Tiger look at the screen and you may noticing the Journaling option button. I have a rule of thumb about Journaling. I turn it on my boot drive and off on my data drives. What it does is keep additional information as you use your hard drive. In the event of a power dip or crash when you power back up it uses this info to restore the drive. Some folks think that everything should have it turned on but it costs speed. If you use your data drive for video project work for example it slows down the drive access enough it may cause you problems. Burning large amounts of data to an optical may be slowed down enough you may have a failure is another reason you may want to turn it off. Since the drive utility makes it easy to turn on an off you may want to use this to your advantage. Turn it off when you need max performance and on the rest of the time for safety.

MAKING INCREMENTAL BACKUPS OF OSX

For my servers I use a small program called RsynchX 2.1. It has a decent and fairly uncomplicated interface. The scripting is a bit daunting but you can automate your jobs. I simply just do it each evening. You simply drag your source and destination to the graphic interface and select what you want to do from the buttons. They can even be a network drive you are connected with. It is free to use but I think they take donations. You can choose to make the drive or partition you are backing up to bootable and it even handles the older OS9 files if you have them on your system. It has proven reliable to me. It requires OSX 10.1.5 or later and I have used it personally all the way up through Tiger. I haven't tried it with Leopard but suspect it will work as well since it calls to the built in rsync that normally is only available to terminal users. It is on the OSX Kitchen Sink in the utilities folder, but can be downloaded from the link above or your favorite Mac Shareware site.

OSX Tip - Stool Softener For Your Constipated OSX System?

Personally I handle all the maintenance on my system with an Automater App called Maintenance (10.4 and later, you can find it in the Automator Actions Section). OSX is supposed to perform maintenance automatically. They improved it in Tiger so that it supposedly runs even if your computer was off or asleep when it was scheduled but it doesn't always. You certainly want to do this if you are on Panther or Jaguar, but folks on Tiger or Leopard systems may benefit from running it regularly.

This forces the daily, weekly and monthly maintenance to run on your system. Do this about once a month or get system optimizer off the Kitchen Sink CD (Tiger and below) which does more and run it weekly. NOTE THIS MAY TAKE SOME TIME IF YOU HAVE NEVER RAN IT, BE PATIENT. Prepare to be amazed on how much better your system runs if the maintenance hasn't been running!

Apple does have an Automator Script that will do this for you without terminal. It is called Maintenance and it is in there Automator Actions Section. The version is for both Tiger and Leopard. It works well and should be safe to use since it only runs the built in maintenance. Of course it is also on the Kitchen Sink for OSX.

Looking for a Good List of Open Source Software for Mac OSX?

One nicely done web site has a good list of open source software for Mac OSX is http://opensourcemac.org Of course a good bit of the programs appear on our Kitchen Sink for OSX but a few are a bit large and more special interest. This is simply a list of what is available but a good one. Most programs are Freeware or Shareware. I like and use NeoOffice these days in place of Microsoft Office and have recently added Seashore which gives you Photoshop type editing for free. I also like and use the program Unarchiver which adds itself at to finder and extends the types of files you can compress and uncompress in place of Stuffit or the built in. Before you go spending big bucks to add a program to your system, I would give some of the open source programs a try. We preinstall some of these programs when you have us configure your system with OSX and include many on the Kitchen Sink CD OSX version.

ALWAYS RUN A BACKUP WITH OSX! Lots of words here but worth reading I think.

If there is one thing I could convince folks of when they buy a system and plan to run OSX it would be this: Run a second drive or external drive with a cloned backup of your OSX install. We can do this for you with your purchase, and certainly help you install a second or external reliable hard drive. While I find OSX generally very reliable and hardly ever have to use our backups I am glad I do when it does happen.

 OSX had been out a good while before I started using it. Why you ask? I will not run an operating system I can't make a bootable backup from. Until Carbon Copy Cloner became available running OSX was a crap shoot. After 10.2 came out it finally was a stable and reliable operating system, that I could run a backup for.

 We operate our business with 6 systems and 4 servers and most of them have X on them these days. On each OSX system I either run a second drive or an attached Firewire Drive. I keep a cloned copy of the OS on that second or attached drive. If and when we have a system go down, we simply boot from the second drive by holding down the option key at startup and choosing the alternative drive. We are back up and operational in the time it takes to boot. I think all Mac OSX users should do the same. While I have ran for years on my personal systems with little or no problems (OSX Tiger is indeed stable), things do happen and being prepared keeps you from going through the grief many of you do when something does happen to your system.

 You can then take the time to troubleshoot and repair the problem or simply replace the original install using Carbon Copy Cloner (or send it to us). I also use a program called RSYNCX to do any periodic updates to those backups, since it only updates the files that have changed. We all run weekly maintenance on our systems either using an old program called System Optimizer for Jaguar and Panther machines, and Maintenance 3.7 or 3.8 for Tiger and Leopard (all are on the Kitchen Sink for OSX). While OSX is supposed to take care of these chores automatically I find that you will do better if you use these programs to do this at your command.

 Oh yes, don't forget to boot from your backup every once in a while to make sure it is indeed bootable and in good condition. The time to find out it isn't working is not when your main hard drive just died. You can then run the disk utility from your backup and run a full repair on your main drive.

 I recommend to anyone running a Mac system that you replace your main work hard drive every 3 to 4 years (more often if your are a heavy user or run servers). They are not expensive these days, but having one fail with all your hard work, music, video, and photographs, can be. I relegate the old hard drive to back up duties then. We will preformat the drives if you ask so all you have to do is pop it in along with your old main hard drive and clone it to your new drive. I store my old backup drives in my underwear drawer (sealed airtight), just in case.

 You may also want to start thinking about off site storage. Not too many years ago we had a break in and thieves stole some of our systems. Fortunately they left the drives in my underwear drawer alone so I was back up and running quickly albeit from dated data. I now store another copy of our important data off the premises in case of breakins, fire, tornadoes, or other disasters. It usually is a month or so old and we have started using "thumb" drives. With sizes from 1GB up to 8GB commonly available it isn't expensive to keep a copy of your really important stuff. While not bootable it is fairly simple to restore your data from these units. Periodically I will retreive them and run update the data. I don't trust online storage at all having been on the web longer than most of these outfits. I see them come and go with no warning far too often and no one really knows if they are secure or not. 

Some people say well I have the software on DVD or CD so if something happens I will just reinstall. Well I personally don't have that kind of free time. An OSX install takes several hours when you consider all the updates that also have to be ran. Keeping a cloned backup is a much better use of your time in my book. A clone will usually finish while you are at lunch and RsyncX finished generally in the time it takes to pour yourself another cup of coffee.

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I am very proud to be able to offer you the new Super Kitchen Sink DVD! One of the things that killed me was each time I updated the Kitchen Sink CD assortment for X is that it required me to remove a few programs. It seems like every time the programs were updated it never got smaller, so I would have to remove a few to make room. I also kept away from any large programs since I would have to sacrifice so many good smaller programs to make room. Well with DVD's space is no longer a problem. I added all the goodies I always wanted (over 4 Gigabytes of compressed files). Now you can simply load them from the DVD. All described and most all include links to the web site so you can read more about them. We were also able to include Intel versions of the updates where needed.

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